WTC Collapse Investigators Blow Whistle on  Constrained
Non-Investigation -- Other investigation disinformation/cover-up exposed.

Two different compilation reports, different information pointing to
same frame-up, inside-job sabotage and cover-up conclusion.
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#1:

WTC collapse investigators DON'T buy Fed jet fuel story, dished up by
Scientific American and other establishment mouthpieces


Compare these two items, reprinted below.

The first is a compilation of recent articles from the New York Times
and New York Daily News, which report on major criticisms of the
currently ongoing "official" investigation into the WTC collapse, from
the INVESTIGATORS themselves!

MASSIVE complaints have been made by the VERY INVESTIGATORS hired by
FEMA to INVESTIGATE the twin towers' destruction; to the effect that
they (investigators) were being deliberately obstructed on nearly EVERY
FRONT in efforts to determine conclusively -- NOT SPECULATE -- precisely
why the buildings collapsed. Major amounts of KEY EVIDENCE have ALREADY
been destroyed; investigators are being PREVENTED from actually
EXAMINING any remaining evidence; and they're receiving THREATS saying
to back off from probing too deeply.

These serious professionals are very distressed over attempts being made
RIGHT NOW, to manipulate and maneuver them into RUBBER-STAMPING the
speculative "assessment" propagated to the ends of the Earth by Feds and
their countless mouthpieces (like Sci Am) within hours of the WTC
collapse -- that burning jet fuel caused it. MANY of the investigators
who are supposed to examine the actual EVIDENCE and figure out for SURE
what brought the towers down HAVE SAID they consider it unlikely that
structural damage from burning jet fuel was sufficient to have caused
the collapse of the buildings.

The second item is a total gov't con job article, promulgated only WEEKS
after 911 by nattering nabobs on government payrolls at MIT and
Scientific American; who new -- at THAT point in time -- probably only
just as MUCH about the WTC attack/collapse as YOU OR ME and EVERYONE
ELSE IN THE WORLD.

They hadn't so much as touched, or looked at, a single piece of debris.
_______________________
1.05.02
Investigators: Burning fuel damage 'NOT ENOUGH' to have crumbled WTC **
Explosives involved as well
** Experts charge official cover-up/destruction of evidence


-- 'A growing number of fire protection engineers have theorized that
"the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet
fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers...' -- NY
Daily News

Firefighter Mag Raps 9/11 Probe
By Joe Calderone
NY Daily News Chief of Investigations

A respected firefighting trade magazine with ties to the city Fire
Department is calling for a "full-throttle, fully resourced"
investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.

A signed editorial in the January issue of Fire Engineering magazine
says the current investigation is "a half-baked farce."

The piece by Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old monthly that
frequently publishes technical studies of major fires, also says the
steel from the site should be preserved so investigators can examine
what caused the collapse.

"Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire?
Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happy Land social club fire?
... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center," the editorial
says. "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately."

Fire Engineering counted FDNY Deputy Chief Raymond Downey, the
department's chief structural expert, among its senior advisers. Downey
was killed in the Sept. 11 attack. John Jay College's fire engineering
expert, Prof. Glenn Corbett, serves as the magazine's technical editor.

A group of engineers from the American Society of Civil Engineers, with
backing from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been studying
some aspects of the collapse. But Manning and others say that probe has
not looked at all aspects of the disaster and has had limited access to
documents and other evidence.

A growing number of fire protection engineers have theorized that "the
structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel
in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers," the editorial
stated.

A FEMA spokesman, John Czwartacki, said agency officials had not yet
seen the editorial and declined to comment. Norida Torriente, a
spokeswoman for the American Society of Civil Engineers, described her
group's study as a "beginning" and "not a definitive work."

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has joined a group of relatives of
firefighters who died in the attack in calling for a blue-ribbon panel
to study the collapse.

"We have to learn from incidents through investigation to determine what
types of codes should be in place and what are the best practices for
high-rise construction," Manning told the Daily News. "The World Trade
Center is not the only lightweight, core construction high-rise in the
U.S. It's a typical method of construction."

http://www.rense.com/general18/firefighter.htm = = = =
NY TIMES
December 25, 2001 THE TOWERS

Experts Urging Broader Inquiry in Towers' Fall

...In calling for a new investigation, some structural engineers have
said that one serious mistake has already been made in the chaotic
aftermath of the collapses: the decision to rapidly recycle the steel
columns, beams and trusses that held up the buildings. That may have
cost investigators some of their most direct physical evidence with
which to try to piece together an answer.

Officials in the mayor's office declined to reply to written and oral
requests for comment over a three-day period about who decided to
recycle the steel and the concern that the decision might be
handicapping the investigation...

Interviews with a handful of members of the team, which includes some of
the nation's most respected engineers, also uncovered complaints that
they had at various times been shackled with bureaucratic restrictions
that prevented them from interviewing witnesses, examining the disaster
site and requesting crucial information like recorded distress calls to
the police and fire departments...

"This is almost the dream team of engineers in the country working on
this, and our hands are tied," said one team member who asked not to be
identified. Members have been threatened with dismissal for speaking to
the press. "FEMA is controlling everything," the team member said...

Dr. Frederick W. Mowrer, an associate professor in the fire protection
engineering department at the University of Maryland, said he believed
the decision could ultimately compromise any investigation of the
collapses. "I find the speed with which potentially important evidence
has been removed and recycled to be appalling," Dr. Mowrer said.

____________________
Scientific American
http://www.sciam.com/explorations/2001/100901wtc/index.html When the
Twin Towers Fell
Oct 9, 2001

... The mechanisms by which these huge and seemingly solid edifices
suddenly collapsed, snuffing out the lives of thousands, was the subject
of a preliminary postmortem conducted last week in Cambridge, Mass. ...

After first describing the highly redundant structural system that kept
the 110-story twin towers standing for decades despite hurricane-force
winds and a terrorist truck bomb, the engineers then delineated how that
system was breached and finally overcome... The main culprits in
bringing the famously lofty buildings down, they concluded, were the two
intensely hot infernos that erupted when tens of thousands of gallons of
aviation fuel spilled from the doomed airliners. Once high temperatures
weakened the towers' supporting steel structures, it was only a matter
of time until the mass of the stories above initiated a rapid-sequence
"pancaking" phenomena in which floor after floor was instantly crushed
and then sent into near free fall to the ground below.
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#2:

9-11:  Firemen's Half-Baked Assault On Cover-Up
by Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-Action.com
Copyright, January, 2002
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.

January 7, 2002--This from Jim McMichael: Three articles concerning
Fire Engineering magazine's criticisms of the investigation of the
WTC collapse.

Two articles on the subject appear in the January edition of the
magazine, one written by editor-in chief Bill Manning, the second
signed by three other authors.  In turn, editor-in-chief Manning was
interviewed by the New York Daily News on January 4.  The three
articles appear below, after McMichael's comments.

Editor-in-chief Manning is calling the present investigation run by
the American Society of Civil Engineers "a half-baked farce," and has
condemned the destruction of WTC evidence.  "For more than three
months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and
continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that
could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices
and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China,
perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next
car," says Manning.  So far so good.

The second article says " ... the structural damage from the planes
and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough
to bring down the towers," but the authors go on to furnish their own
answers to the riddle of the collapse, suggesting they may not have
an open mind about the inquiry.  The quality of the fireproofing is
the designated culprit.

The authors of the second article make it quite clear they buy the
official story: "Yes, it was the terrorist pilots who slammed two
jetliners into the Twin Towers.  It was the ensuing fire, however,
that brought the towers down."

How do the authors know this?  No fire has ever caused the complete
collapse of high rise office buildings in the history of the
industrialized world.

The second article goes on to state: "Make no mistake about it: This
high-rise collapse was no 'fluke.'   The temperatures experienced and
heat release rates achieved at the World Trade Center could be seen
in future high-rise fires."

But as Jim McMichael points out, jet fuel does not burn hot enough to
melt steel.  See McMichael's "Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics,"
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/mcmichael.html

Jet airplanes and high rise office buildings have coexisted
peacefully for decades.  Yet, all of a sudden, SHRIEK!  Fire
Engineering realizes there's a problem.  Now they are predicting more
such occurrences.  (Doubtlessly, such can be arranged by the WTC
perpetrators for a little posthumous credibility.)

None of the Fire Engineering writers raise the question of what
caused the concrete in the twin towers to turn into powder.  Didn't
they notice that?

None of writers asked what caused the disappearance of the buildings'
massive steel interior columns.  Didn't they notice that?  Even warm
licorice holds it shape, and so should "softened" steel.

Fire Engineering is calling upon Sen. Charles Schumer, who has joined
other would-be whistleblowers, to support a REAL investigation.
That's right, they expect integrity from "Burn 'em Alive" Schumer,
who, while in the House of Representatives, assassinated the Branch
Davidians all over again during the so-called Congressional
"investigation."

What kind of foul creature would help the US cover up the torture and
murder of innocent women and children by degrading the dead?  And how
naive would you have to be to expect help from him on the WTC
investigation?

Remember that Israel, not the Muslim world, is benefitting from the
events of 9-11. Certainly Israel has the gall to attack America.
Remember the USS Liberty!  http://www.USSLiberty.com .  Israel, not a
man living in a cave, had the technical sophistication to pull off
the job.  Israel, not bin Laden, had the contacts within the US Air
Force to make sure the military organization that guards American
skies (NORAD) was not around on September 11.

Fire Engineering, Sen. Schumer is an Israeli patriot, not an American
patriot.  Or didn't you notice that, either?  Do you seriously expect
Mr. Schumer to arrange a real investigation of the 9-11 atrocities?

Friends, it sounds like yet another fake investigation is on the way,
a la Waco and Oklahoma City.

OK.  Enough from me.  See McMichael's comments, then the New York
Daily News interview and the two Fire Engineering articles.


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To: jmcm5@lycos.com

Subject: Re: Firefighter Magazine Raps 9/11 Probe


These articles were brought to my attention by a friend [xxxxx]:

1. The New York Daily News paraphrase and interview with Bill
    Manning, editor of Fire Engineering
2. Manning's original Fire Engineering editorial, January 2001.
3. Another Fire Engineering editorial, same issue.

The third article affirms the plane wrecks by suicide hijackers,
affirms the collapse of the WTC by fire -- but most compelling,
observes that WTC is "[t]he first total collapse of a high-rise
during a fire in United States history."

Ahem.  Quite a landmark event.  Most remarkable, given the
statements in NYDN editorial that: "The World Trade Center is not
the only lightweight, core construction high-rise in the U.S.
It's a typical method of construction."

But the US Government (FEMA etc.) is moving rapidly to destroy
the evidence, cutting it up and selling it for scrap without
serious investigation -- eerily reminiscent of the Murrah
Building (OKC) destruction and cleanup, and of the quarantine
and excavation of the site where scores of Branch Davidians died
in Waco.

Row, row, row your boat ... truth is whatever they tell us it is.

J
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http://www.nydailynews.com/2002-01-04/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a
137143.asp?last6days=1

[Note: If you want to see on its original web page through the
URL above, I suggest you get it today.  Otherwise, it may be
available only through the archives.]

From: News and Views | City Beat |
Friday, January 04, 2002
Firefighter Mag
Raps 9/11 Probe
By JOE CALDERONE
Daily News Chief of Investigations

A respected firefighting trade magazine with ties to the city
Fire Department is calling for a "full-throttle, fully resourced"
investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.

A signed editorial in the January issue of Fire Engineering
magazine says the current investigation is "a half-baked farce."

The piece by Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old monthly
that frequently publishes technical studies of major fires, also
says the steel from the site should be preserved so investigators
can examine what caused the collapse.

"Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle
Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the
Happy Land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the
World Trade Center," the editorial says.  "The destruction and
removal of evidence must stop immediately."

Fire Engineering counted FDNY Deputy Chief Raymond Downey, the
department's chief structural expert, among its senior advisers.
Downey was killed in the Sept. 11 attack.

John Jay College's fire engineering expert, Prof. Glenn Corbett,
serves as the magazine's technical editor.

A group of engineers from the American Society of Civil Engineers,
with backing from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been
studying some aspects of the collapse.  But Manning and others say
that probe has not looked at all aspects of the disaster and has had
limited access to documents and other evidence.

A growing number of fire protection engineers have theorized that
"the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition
of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the
towers," the editorial stated.

A FEMA spokesman, John Czwartacki, said agency officials had not
yet seen the editorial and declined to comment.

Norida Torriente, a spokeswoman for the American Society of Civil
Engineers, described her group's study as a "beginning" and "not
a definitive work."

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) has joined a group of relatives of
firefighters who died in the attack in calling for a blue-ribbon
panel to study the collapse.

"We have to learn from incidents through investigation to
determine what types of codes should be in place and what are the
best practices for high-rise construction," Manning told the
Daily News.  "The World Trade Center is not the only lightweight,
core construction high-rise in the U.S.  It's a typical method of
construction."

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[ This is the preamble to the Manning article-- CV.]

"Burning Questions...Need Answers": FE's Bill Manning Calls for
Comprehensive Investigation of WTC Collapse

Fair Lawn, NJ, January 4, 2002 - Bill Manning, Fire Engineering's
editor in chief, is summoning members of the fire service to "A
Call to Action."  In his January 2002 Editor's Opinion, "$elling
Out the Investigation" (below ), he warns that unless there is a
full-blown investigation by an independent panel established solely
for that purpose, "the World Trade Center fire and collapse will
amount to paper- and computer-generated hypotheticals."  Manning
explained: "Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers
.... The lessons about the buildings'
design and behavior in this extraordinary event must be learned
and applied in the real world."

In an interview with the New York Daily News today, Manning
reiterated his call for a "full-throttle, fully resourced"
investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.  He is
asking members of the fire service to read "WTC 'Investigation'?
A Call to Action" in the January 2002 issue of Fire Engineering
and at fireengineering.com and to contact their representatives
in Congress and officials in Washington to ask that a blue ribbon
panel be convened to thoroughly investigate the WTC collapse.

Among those also calling for the investigation are Sally
Regenhard, the mother of Christian Regenhard, the Fire Department
of New York (FDNY) probationary firefighter killed in the World
Trade Center (WTC) attack, and founder of the Campaign for
Skyscraper Safety; Give Your Voice, a civilian relatives' group
headed by Michael Cartier, who lost his brother in the collapse;
prominent structural engineers and fire-safety experts, and New
York State Senators Charles Schumer and Senator Hillary Rodham
Clinton.

          [Continuing text from the Fire Engineering page]

$elling Out the Investigation
By Bill Manning

Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist
Fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happyland
Social Club Fire? Did they cast aside the pressure-regulating
valves at the Meridian Plaza Fire? Of course not.  But essentially,
that's what they're doing at the World Trade Center.

For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade
Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap.
  Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise
building design practices and performance under fire conditions
is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in
America until you buy your next car.

Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of
government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific
investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world
history.  I have combed through our national standard for fire
investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an
exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over
10 stories tall.

Hoping beyond hope, I have called experts to ask if the towers
were the only high-rise buildings in America of lightweight,
center-core construction.  No such luck.  I made other calls
asking if these were the only buildings in America with
light-density, sprayed-on fireproofing.  Again, no luck-they were
two of thousands that fit the description.

Comprehensive disaster investigations mean increased safety.
They mean positive change.  NASA knows it.  The NTSB knows it.
Does FEMA know it?

No.  Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the
"official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American
Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already
have been commandeered by political forces whose primary
interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure.
Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual
walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation
committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist
trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything.

Maybe we should live and work in planes.  That way, if disaster
strikes, we will at least be sure that a thorough investigation
will help find ways to increase safety for our survivors.

As things now stand and if they continue in such fashion, the
investigation into the World Trade Center fire and collapse will
amount to paper- and computer generated hypotheticals.

However, respected members of the fire protection engineering
community are beginning to raise red flags, and a resonating
theory has emerged: The structural damage from the planes and the
explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to
bring down the towers.  Rather, theory has it, the subsequent
contents fires attacking the questionably fireproofed lightweight
trusses and load-bearing columns directly caused the collapses in
an alarmingly short time.  Of course, in light of there being no
real evidence thus far produced, this could remain just
unexplored theory.

The frequency of published and unpublished reports raising
questions about the steel fireproofing and other fire protection
elements in the buildings, as well as their design and
construction, is on the rise.  The builders and owners of the
World Trade Center property, the Port Authority of New York-New
Jersey, a governmental agency that operates in an accountability
vacuum beyond the reach of local fire and building codes, has
denied charges that the buildings' fire protection or
construction components were substandard but has refused to
cooperate with requests for documentation supporting its
contentions.

Some citizens are taking to the streets to protest the
investigation sellout.  Sally Regenhard, for one, wants to know
why and how the building fell as it did upon her unfortunate son
Christian, an FDNY probationary firefighter.  And so do we.

Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers.  Based on
the incident's magnitude alone, a full-throttle, fully resourced,
forensic investigation is imperative.  More important, from a
moral standpoint, for the safety of present and future
generations who live and work in tall buildings-and for
firefighters, always first in and last out-the lessons about the
buildings' design and behavior in this extraordinary event must
be learned and applied in the real world.

To treat the September 11 incident any differently would be the
height of stupidity and ignorance.

The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.

The federal government must scrap the current setup and
commission a fully resourced blue ribbon panel to conduct a clean
and thorough investigation of the fire and collapse, leaving no
stones unturned.

Firefighters, this is your call to action.  Visit WTC
"Investigation"?: A Call to Action, then contact your
representatives in Congress and officials in Washington and help
us correct this problem immediately.

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WTC "INVESTIGATION"?: A CALL TO ACTION

Never again! In the wake of the World Trade Center, we are left
with many thoughts-thoughts of friends lost, thoughts of
devastated families, thoughts of the tremendous impact on so many
lives for so many years to come.  Yet, we-America's fire
service-are left with one critical thought: How can we prevent a
disaster like this from ever happening again?

Yes, it was the terrorist pilots who slammed two jetliners into
the Twin Towers.  It was the ensuing fire, however, that brought
the towers down.  Make no mistake about it: This high-rise
collapse was no "fluke." The temperatures experienced and heat
release rates achieved at the World Trade Center could be seen in
future high-rise fires.

There are many, many questions to be asked by us about the World
Trade Center collapse and its implications on high-rise
firefighting across the nation.  Some questions are political,
many are technical, others are philosophical.  Here are a few (inno
particular order) to think about.

* Given the typical resources of most fire departments, can we be
   expected to handle every high-rise fire thrown at us? When was
   the last time your city manager asked you for a complete list
   of resources that you need to fight a high-rise fire, including
   personnel? When was the last time a high-rise building owner
   asked if you would like him to install a special "firefighter
   elevator" for your exclusive use during a high-rise fire? When
   was the last time a building code committee called up a
   "downtown" battalion chief and asked him what he thought of the
   unlimited area and height provisions found in all of the model
   building codes-is it OK if we allow a 400-story building in
   your battalion, Chief? The bottom line is, Can we really handle
   high-rise fires adequately? Who are we kidding? Isn't this the
   "big secret" that Chief Vincent Dunn has been talking about for
   years?

* Beware the truss! Frank Brannigan has been admonishing us for
   years about this topic.  It has been reported that the World
   Trade Center floors were supported by lightweight steel
   trusses, some in excess of 50 feet long.  Need we say more?

* Modern sprayed-on steel "fireproofing" did not perform well at
   the World Trade Center.  Haven't we always been leery about
   these materials? Why do many firefighters say that they would
   rather fight a high-rise fire in an old building than in a
   modern one? Isn't it because of the level of fire resistance
   provided? How much confidence do we have in the ASTM E-119 fire
   resistance test, whose test criteria were developed in the
   1920s? ASTM E-119 is an antiquated test whose criteria for fire
   resistance do not replicate today's fires.

* The defend-in-place strategy was the wrong strategy at the
   World Trade Center.  Many of those who ignored the directions
   to "stay where you are" are alive today because they
   self-evacuated.  Do you still use defend-in-place strategies
   for large high-rise fires? When should you use them, and when
   should you not?

* We can see live broadcasts from Afghanistan, but we can't
   communicate via radios in many high-rise buildings.  What
   gives?

There are many more questions, more than we have answers for.
What is clear is that things must change.  Where do we begin? By
putting things in perspective.  The World Trade Center disaster
was

* The largest loss of firefighters ever at one incident.
* The second largest loss of life on American soil.
* The first total collapse of a high-rise during a fire in
   United States history.
* The largest structural collapse in recorded history.

Now, with that understanding, you would think we would have the
largest fire investigation in world history.  You would be wrong.
Instead, we have a series of unconnected and uncoordinated
superficial inquiries.  No comprehensive "Presidential Blue
Ribbon Commission." No top-notch National Transportation Safety
Board-like response.  Ironically, we will probably gain more
detailed information about the destruction of the planes than we
will about the destruction of the towers.  We are literally
treating the steel removed from the site like garbage, not like
crucial fire scene evidence.

The World Trade Center disaster demands the most comprehensive
detailed investigation possible.  No event in our entire fire
service history has ever come close to the magnitude of this
incident.

We, the undersigned, call on FEMA to immediately impanel a "World
Trade Center Disaster Review Panel" to coordinate a complete
review of all aspects of the World Trade Center incident.

The panel should be charged with creating a comprehensive report
that examines a variety of topics including determining exactly
how and why the towers collapsed, critiquing the building
evacuation procedures and the means of egress, assessing the
buildings' fire protection features (steel "fireproofing,"
fireprotection systems, etc.), and reviewing the valiant firefighting
procedures employed.  In addition, the Panel should be charged
with preparing a detailed set of recommendations, including the
critical changes necessary to our building codes.  Please e-mail
this (italicized) call to action to:

President George W. Bush (president@whitehouse.gov)

Senator Charles Schumer (senator@schumer.senate.gov)

Senator Hillary Clinton (senator@clinton.senate.gov)

FEMA Director Joe M. Allbaugh (director@fema.gov)

and to your own congressional representatives.  To obtain e-mail
addresses for your representatives, go to
www.senate.gov/contacting/index.cfm and www.house.gov/writerep/.
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David, thanks.